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Post by blaird83 on Jul 1, 2010 13:39:56 GMT -6
Logging premium member caches from a basic account, i just found out is doable thanks to the feedback button on the side of the geocaching page now.
Have a premium member click on log your visit Copy the URL and use it for the basic member Log visit normally.
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 1, 2010 20:51:41 GMT -6
Is this Ethical and Fair? I have an opinion on this, and I will share in a moment.
First, let me state that I don't understand just why some caches are only Reserved for Premium Members in the first place. Why the prejudice? For this, I have no answer. I just respect the CO's wishes when it comes to my family members who were not/still are not Premium Members.
My wife, I believe, will tell the same opinion on this matter. She herself has abstained from even searching for the caches that we've ALL gone hunting together on if the particular cache was listed as Premium Only. Furthermore, she absolutely Refuses to log a Found It post on each listing untill she has actually phisically Signed the actual Logbook or sheet. Even my Own caches that she was there when we Hid the dang thing.... she won't Log it on line until it's been signed by her personally.
There is just ONE cache where we believe she May have made an Exeption to our rule, but only After she was an Official Premium Member. My daughter though will Not be a Premium Member any time soon. That said, here's My opinion on this matter:
For whatever Reason, the CO Intended the cache to be Reserved. To keep a certain Peace within the Geocaching Community, I feel Obligated to abide by the CO's wishes in regards to logging "Found It's" on the listings themselves. As such, let it be understood that I myself (and my family...) Do NOT Condone this apparent error in the recent Geocache.com Update performed recently.
I won't go so far as to say that anyone is Cheating in the game, as this is all up to individule interpretations of the rules, and after all it is just a game. But I will say that I got my virtual a$$ Kicked to h*ll & back when I asked at the Geocache Forums about logging my own caches as a Found It. Consider Full Astern as a prime example. The manner in which I Hid that one, I Do think I should log that as a Found It. But I won't, for fear of ticking off the Caching Community in general.
I dunno, maybe I can get away with it on a local level. There's been enough time that's passed since I hid that one and many do not read all of the logs, right? Shoot, I can even Back Date my Found It log to the day or so before it was even Published. But again I ask. Is this Ethical or Fair?
I'll let y'all decide.
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 1, 2010 20:52:40 GMT -6
I told Kaye to review and enter input on this as well. Hope she does....
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Post by Mrs Cowboy on Jul 1, 2010 21:22:26 GMT -6
Heres my thoughts on logging premium caches wheather or u agree is up to you, everyone has there own opinion. But I stand by the way I play the game,Iff I go caching and there are premium caches invovled in ourhun and i'm not a premium member theres no sense in me even seaching because I cannot log it so I stay behind. ........... (but to each his or her own.) I may take the game to seriously by not even logging non premium caches till I have physically signed the logs and searched for them .........(even my own husbands.) but I want to play the game right.
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 1, 2010 21:36:27 GMT -6
Heres my thoughts on logging premium caches wheather or u agree is up to you, everyone has there own opinion. But I stand by the way I play the game,Iff I go caching and there are premium caches invovled in ourhun and i'm not a premium member theres no sense in me even seaching because I cannot log it so I stay behind. ........... (but to each his or her own.) I may take the game to seriously by not even logging non premium caches till I have physically signed the logs and searched for them .........(even my own husbands.) but I want to play the game right. I never said she was a Literary Scholar, but I think she means to agree with me on this one. At this point, I have No Desire to go in a correct the grammar. I'll just let this topic go on as is and gather other Opinions as they are posted. Thanks,
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Post by relikborg on Jul 1, 2010 21:44:11 GMT -6
As a cache owner I think at times we have all thought about making some of our caches premium only, due to the fact that vandals who steal containers usually will not pay the price for a premium account.
p.s. Howdy from North Central Arkansas!
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Post by blaird83 on Jul 2, 2010 0:36:18 GMT -6
yeah, i was kinda iffy when a regular cacher told me about it, but i actually got everything, and the above listing included, from the Geocaching.com staff. they created that loophole for that reason so that kids who don't have a PM account while the parents do can still log a cache.
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 2, 2010 19:53:57 GMT -6
I read a little in a Newsletter this AM about that Feedback Button. Something new that I haven't checked out yet. But I somewhat digress.
I've thought about the options/arguments/opinions presented by the last couple of posts, and there are points that I can come to grip with. So I've given this some thought, and I guess my viewpoint is being swayed a little.
First, I agree with (Jason?'s) post about the Premium caches being placed out of the concern of muggles. If a cache is located in a high muggle area, perhaps they Should be Premium Only. Considering this, I think two things need to change on my behalf.
A) I should alter some of my caches to Premium Only, due to high muggle traffic possibilities.
B) I should Stop going after Premium Caches! I'll freely admit that I consider myself a failure at times when it comes to Stealth Required at certain caches that I've hunted. So far, I think I've been successful at explaining away my activity when approached by a non-cacher, but sometimes I sure leave the scene hoping that I myself didn't just cause that cache to get vandalized. Shoot, that even happened once on one of MY caches!
Next, I agree with the theory of allowing this "for the Kids". Who would argue with that? I know we've been to a few that my wife and daughter couldn't log due to the lack of the Premium Membership status. Kaye's Premium now, but daughter still is not. I guess it's nice to have her be able to log that Found It as well if she's with us in general. Now if only she herself would be a little more proactive about logging her darn finds!
Finally, since this loophole was created by the Staff at geocaching site... well.... I guess I cannot and will not complain or argue with that at all. Looks like my daughter can boost her numbers a bit if she'd ever take the time to log her Found Its at the site.
Thanks guys, for the input. And thanks Bryan for that info about the Feedback Button. I'll have to look into that one. Have another Ethical Question, and will post another post here with it. Stay tuned....
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 2, 2010 20:08:18 GMT -6
About the Ethics... What about logging my own cache as a Found It? Specifically, I'm still thinking about my Full Astern cache and the method I used to get that Hide Published. Here's the write up for that one if interested.... Full Astern! In it, I describe my different method for placing that one. In a way, I really Do think I should be allowed to log a Found It, for that really is exactly what I did when I placed it. So again I'll ask. Ethical and Fair? I'm really beginning to think that it just might be. I wonder if a loophole was set up to cover this type of situation.
Perhaps this could be more useful as a separate Topic.
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Post by blaird83 on Jul 3, 2010 0:38:23 GMT -6
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Post by Cowboy Camper on Jul 3, 2010 23:18:37 GMT -6
Good read. Think I should log in there and ask my piece, or state my opinion as well. I see that Lee posted several comments on the topic. I'm still a little divided on this topic, but I AM leaning a little more toward logging a couple of the caches that I own. Full Astern, due to the homework involved in getting that one hidden. Even OBCJY commented that I "threaded the needle" to get that last one hidden at the Arboretum. Archival Revival, maybe. Because I did go out and find it again before it was archived. Like the GONIL topic was discussing, that one had moved quite a bit from where it was originally. So I could say that I Found that one after it was archived, and thus restored the container and the listing. Truth be known, I'm comfortable with those two new Found It numbers under my belt. They're not Lies, and I Did have to Find the locations for them before I owned them. Especially with Full Astern. That one took a lot of Home work, and then a bit of at site Ground work as well.
Well, I think I have my answer for this then. Having the kids allowed to log the Premiums is a good loophole to have. Thanks for sharing that link...
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